Meet John Piper

John Piper, Robert Lewis Dabney, & Doug Wilson
Three Articles That Help You Understand John Piper

#1 – Who Is Robert Lewis Dabney
What’s So Bad about Robert Lewis Dabney?
by Daniel Kleven

“What could possibly be so bad about Dabney? I suspect that very few people have actually read for themselves the kinds of things Dabney said. If they had, I simply cannot imagine them giving him the kind of praise that they have.”

#2 – Who Is Doug Wilson? [1]

“[a] matter that has surprised, perplexed, and disappointed me with regard to John’s judgment. It has to do with his questionable discernment regarding Doug Wilson as an adherent of Federal Vision theology. I was, in fact, quite surprised when I recently found out that John Piper and the Desiring God ministry had chosen to ask Doug Wilson to speak at the upcoming Desiring God Conference in September [2009]”. — Keith Throop

Douglas Wilson describes Dabney as one of “the men I am most indebted to philosophically.” Others have loved Dabney for his Reformed Theology, but Wilson loves him for his views on slavery, too.

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#3 – What Is The Connection Between John Piper, Robert Lewis Dabney, Doug Wilson, and Desiring God

John Piper has promoted Doug Wilson, and given Doug Wilson multiple platforms and venues of visiblity for over a decade! [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [9]

Authors, Doug Wilson & Steve Wilkins, “Southern Slavery: As It Was

“Wilson’s and Wilkins’ booklet, published by Wilson’s “Canon Press” in Moscow, argues that southern slavery was not only sanctioned by the Bible but, thanks to the patriarchal kindness of their wise evangelical masters, a positive, happy, and pleasant experience for the majority of southern blacks. Wilson and Wilkins are quite specific about the many benefits of slavery for African-Americans, and they conclude that southern slaves genuinely appreciated those benefits and supported the system that provided them. As such, they claim that “slavery produced in the South a genuine affection between the races that we believe we can say has never existed in any nation before the War [the Civil War] or since.” (p. 38). Their praise of the institution is almost unbounded in places. “There has never been,” they argue, “a multi-racial society that has existed with such mutual intimacy and harmony in the history of the world.” (p. 24).”  — William Ramsey

A Jarring Refutation:
Southern Slavery As It Wasn’t:
Coming to Grips with Neo-Confederate Historical Misinformation
Sean M. Quinlan and William L. Ramsey

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“How did you go bankrupt? Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

– Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises

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Other Material:

Warped Theology Has Consequences

Edwards, Dabney, Piper, & Wilson

Christian Newswire

Daniel Kleven on Piper, Dabney, Wilson, Edwards

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  1. John Piper fully realizes that Doug Wilson baptizes babies and gives them communion.
  2. 2009 — John Piper’s words about Doug Wilson: “I am so deeply persuaded that Doug gets the gospel right, and that these areas where we have disagreement are non-essential — that I want to count him not only as a brother but a one from whom I can really seriously learn.”
  3. 2012 Desiring God Conference — “The 2012 Conference for Pastors concluded with this two-hour-long conversation between John Piper and Douglas Wilson, moderated by Joe Rigney.”
  4. 2013 — A Conversation on Christ and Culture with John Piper and Doug Wilson
  5. 2019 — Race and Culture / John Piper and Doug Wilson
  6. 2021 —
  7. 2021 — Ligonier Q&A — Wilson & Piper –
  9. Also, you have to understand the “Lost Cause” position to understand the subtleties of some racial arguments and who is Doug Wilson.

    “Lost Cause” “There are six main parts of the Lost Cause myth, the first and most important of which is that secession had little or nothing to do with the institution of slavery. Southern states seceded to protect their rights, their homes, and to throw off the shackles of a tyrannical government. Second, slavery was portrayed as a positive good; submissive, happy, and faithful slaves were better off in the system of chattel slavery which offered them protection. The third tenet states that the Confederacy was only defeated because of the Northern states’ numerical advantage in both men and resources. Fourth, Confederate soldiers are portrayed as heroic, gallant, and saintly. Even after the surrender, they retained their honor. Fifth, Robert E. Lee emerged as the . . . revered the Virginian as the ultimate Christian soldier who took up arms for his state. Finally, Southern women also steadfastly supported the cause, sacrificing their men, time, and resources more than their Northern counterparts. The idealized image of a pure, saintly, white Southern woman emerged as well.”

Other Links:

John Piper, Desiring God, and Robert Lewis Dabney

“Love Your Enemies”? John Piper and Robert Lewis Dabney, part 2

“The Great Pattern of American Manhood”: John Piper and Robert Lewis Dabney, Part 3

“For Theologians”: John Piper and Robert Lewis Dabney, Part 4

“A Single River” or a “Poisonous Stream”? John Piper [and Robert Lewis Dabney], Interlude

“Trusting the Theology of a Slave Owner”: John Piper, Desiring God, and Robert Lewis Dabney, Part 6

“Great Saints of the Past”: John Piper, Desiring God, and Robert Lewis Dabney, Part 7

Whose Calvinism? Which Community? John Piper, Desiring God, and Robert Lewis Dabney, Part 8

“Flag It, Wave It, Acknowledge It”: John Piper, Desiring God, and Robert Lewis Dabney, Conclusion

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